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 "Have you ever loved another person the way you have been loved here?"
 


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Mary Jo R's NDE

EXPERIENCE DESCRIPTION:

I saw a light. It appeared small and then grew bigger and encompassed me into it. I was not afraid and very much able to evaluate the light coming toward me. I noted it was not large and then grew larger. I remember "floating" through this tunnel like thing...and then I just folded out into a huge room...not sure it was a room but it was a space. It was brilliant and had a pink tinge (Hence the name of the book I later wrote about it titled "Is God Pink...Dying to Heal). God held me...I don't remember if my whole body was in his arms or what...no recognition of that. I knew it was God because he was an omnipotent being. Not like a person...much less limited in form. I did not see God but felt him through my skin. He spoke through all of my senses. He called me by name and told me I could not stay. I protested. I told him all of my services on earth (working 24/7, not much money for my work, a good wife, a good mother) I did not want to leave this place. Then God asked me...He said "let me ask you one question". "Have you ever loved another person the way you have been loved here". The love I had received in that time was so overpowering...I had never felt anything like it so I answered God honestly. I said, "No...it is impossible...I am just a human, you are God". He gave me the illusion of a sweet protective chuckle. He then said, "Mary, you can do better". I woke up to my husband shaking my arm and crying...telling me I was very sick and they were going to have to take me to surgery. He was telling me they would have to open my head and clip an artery that was bleeding. He told me please not to die. I told my husband not to worry. I had just talked to God and He wouldn't let me die. My husband thought I was hallucinating (he is a physician, and I would have thought that too since I worked in a Cancer Center and use to never believe these stories). I recovered so quickly from the brain surgery...the neurosurgeons were perplexed how this could be.

Was the kind of experience difficult to express in words? Yes The colors were not colors as we know them. They were brilliant. God spoke to me through all of my senses. The love and acceptance I felt was not a human emotion I had ever experienced before. I had to grieve being sent back to earth.

At the time of this experience, was there an associated life threatening event? Uncertain I could have died...I had about 50cc of blood in my head. An artery in my brain had burst.

At what time during the experience were you at your highest level of consciousness and alertness? I was aware and alert through all of it. I was so overtaken by the love and acceptance I did not look around much. I was so content and at peace when I wasn't arguing with God to stay.

How did your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience compare to your normal every day consciousness and alertness? More consciousness and alertness than normal

If your highest level of consciousness and alertness during the experience was different from your normal every day consciousness and alertness, please explain: I was aware and alert through all of it. I was so overtaken by the love and acceptance I did not look around much. I was so content and at peace when I wasn't arguing with God to stay.

Did your vision differ in any way from your normal, everyday vision (in any aspect, such as clarity, field of vision, colors, brightness, depth perception degree of solidness/transparency of objects, etc.)? Yes My vision was different. There was a sense that I had a "Knowingness" I do not have in my everyday world. Everything made more sense. I think this place I went was also a place I had come from. It was not scary...I belonged there.

Did your hearing differ in any way from your normal, everyday hearing (in any aspect, such as clarity, ability to recognize source of sound, pitch, loudness, etc.)?
No I heard through my other senses though. I do not think my hearing was different then my sight or skin.

Did you experience a separation of your consciousness from your body? Uncertain

What emotions did you feel during the experience? Total loving...acceptance. I had never been loved like that.

Did you pass into or through a tunnel or enclosure? Yes I saw a light which became bigger and I went into it. I floated through something that appeared "tunnel like"...although I am not sure.

Did you see a light? Yes It started small and became larger.

Did you meet or see any other beings? No

Did you experience a review of past events in your life? No

Did you observe or hear anything regarding people or events during your experience that could be verified later? No

Did you see or visit any beautiful or otherwise distinctive locations, levels or dimensions? Yes I was in a beautiful place. It had brilliant lighting and I was held by God in this place.

Did you have any sense of altered space or time? Yes When I came back it seemed like I had talked to God for a long while. It was only a two to three minutes that I was unresponsive.

Did you have a sense of knowing special knowledge, universal order and/or purpose? Yes Yes, I felt like everything there made sense to me. I had a knowingness of this place. It felt like my original source.

Did you reach a boundary or limiting physical structure? Yes I was being held by God in a beautiful room. He told me I could not stay. I was upset...and started protesting.

Did you become aware of future events? No

Did you have any psychic, paranormal or other special gifts following the experience you did not have prior to the experience? Yes My analytical skills are much improved. I also look younger. I have no fear of death. I have a sense that we are "limitless" in what we can give and do on earth. The only limit is ourselves. I see life on earth as more plastic...not real. I see my body as a shell I have to take care of...but it is not meant for ever. I have a trust and I now know there is a God. It feels like everything now that I want to progress in is happening...almost like an unfolding for me in a way it has never done before.

Have you shared this experience with others? Yes I work in healthcare so I was afraid to talk about it. I told the first person about a week after I got home from the hospital. I talked to my husband about it right away. He is agnostic but had to admit some "weird things happened that he cannot explain". I was suppose to die...and I walked out of the hospital not needing any rehab. It was unbelievable considering the assault to my brain.

Did you have any knowledge of near death experience (NDE) prior to your experience? Uncertain Many patients dying of cancer while in my care would tell me they saw angels or had visions. I was soooo skeptical. I regret that now. What a fool I was, and how much more I could have helped them pass on to God if I would have been a better listener.

How did you view the reality of your experience shortly (days to weeks) after it happened: Experience was definitely real It scared me. I wasn't sure I could live in this world after being with God. I had a lot of grief coming back to Earth. I had to talk to a therapist to let go of being with God. It wasn't the right time.

Were there one or several parts of the experience especially meaningful or significant to you? It was all significant to me. The room...the colors, the feeling of God's talking to me. The feeling of love and acceptance. I am a psychotherapist and get paid a lot of money to help people change. I may spend years trying to help them change one small behavior. I spend two minutes with God and my whole life has changed. Who can explain that?????

How do you currently view the reality of your experience: Experience was definitely real I feel like it is a great blessing and responsibility. I could rationalize that I was ignorant or unknowing when I sinned before my experience with God. Now I cannot say that anymore. He held me and talked to me. Nothing in my life is the same.

Have your relationships changed specifically as a result of your experience? Uncertain At first they changed a lot. I expected more from them...thought they had seen the same thing I had seen because of my experience. I realized that I have to live with people who do not have the same awareness I have. It is difficult. I am constantly frustrated by petty situations I get pulled into. When I fist came back it was easier...I find myself becoming more and more "human" again.

Have your religious beliefs/practices changed specifically as a result of your experience? Yes I am more spiritual...less religious.

Following the experience, have you had any other events in your life, medications or substances which reproduced any part of the experience? No

Is there anything else you would like to add concerning the experience? No...it continues to be the biggest blessing of my life.

Did the questions asked and information you provided so far accurately and comprehensively describe your experience? Yes It is difficult to find human words for so much of this. I think that is why the stories all have some similarities. We are all grasping for a human word and there are none.
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 The first major newspaper to address the concentration camps being built by Homeland Security.......
 

The San Francisco Chronicle, today, carried an article by Lewis Seller and Dan Hamburg which questions the need for concentration being camps in every state, adequate to imprison millions - a program HLS calls Endgame. The jews among us, those who cling to the illusion that this will pass, might want to reconsider the meaning of a government that builds concentration camps - while we stand by watching - and doing nothing!

I am not able to copy the article - not technologically smart! I captured it but it is a png and I do not know how to post a photo. Check it out. Finally, just before the shit hits the fan, a major, award-winning newspaper says what all the online news sites have been saying for several years. Until people, some people, see it in a major newspaper or on television, they do not believe.

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 ANOTHER INTERESTING NDE///////////
 

INDIA PHYSICIAN'S NDE - NDERF
Greetings! And thanks for the genuine appreciation. I am a Senior Homoeopathic - Physician having more than three decades of practice. Below my original message, I am now sending my personal NDE details for publication. You can also put my e-mail address on that. Let like-minded persons can come together & discuss this important matter which has wholly engaged the collective Indian Mind for thousands of years. With warm Greetings.

We in India with our hoary philosophical traditions of more than seven thousand years and experiences of thousands of saints & sages believe in the Holistic philosophy of Life.

No experiments conducted on "Average experience criteria" or objective studies of the brain can explain the function of consciousness. Each man's experience will be different like the fact that no two thumb impressions match.

NDE of an evolved soul will be Transcendal. It is like a Quantum Jump. While as experiences of many ordinary people may be ascribed to stresses or emotional factors. In the matter of consciousness, we are entering a Quantum field wherein Modern science has no guidelines.
I was also skeptical about Transcendal experiences until I had one NDE experience in 1969.After suffering an attack of acute Dysentery & loss of blood I was nearing the end.

Suddenly I left the body & from the ceiling could look down on my body. In that state I could instantly be aware of anything I thought about. I thought of my mother.

I could see her running helter s
kelter on a platform to catch a train.

Later when I luckily recovered I corroborated that in fact ,at that precise moment she was running on a platform hundreds of Kilometers away to catch a train to come to my place, on receipt of a telegram about my critical condition.

Any NDE which can be found true ,to objective reality is astonishing! How can mind travel through Space and Time? Mind is transcendal Reality. A quantum entity. Science has not still reached a stage of understanding it.

As Shakespeare put it "There are Truths undreamt of under the sky!"

Details.
The incident actually occurred in September 1969.However as NDE is a profound experience it is deeply etched in my memory. I can recollect even minute details of it instantaneously though ,more than three decades have passed.

At that time I was thirty seven, a robust young man. And was an Agnostic I was skeptical of religion or any thing that could not be called strictly scientific.

My family had just moved into a small town called Eluru in Andhrapradesh, India. Because of the unhygienic conditions there I had a serious bout of Dysentery. Avoiding self-treatment, I put myself under the care of my friend in General Hospital.
In spite of a vigorous course of Anti-Biotics the dysentery did not subside. I lost a heavy amount of blood. Added to that a serious fever developed. After a few days my condition deteriorated very rapidly. Pulse became very weak & barely palpable.

On the third day of the full moon at midnight, the physician was summoned ,as my condition rapidly deteriorated & I was collapsing. While he was checking my heart-beats suddenly I left the body. From the ceiling I was looking at my own body!

The visibility was very poor as if a thick cloud of smoke separated me from the rest of the surroundings. The severe pain that I was experiencing just before leaving the body had vanished. I was calm & composed.

Suddenly I realized I was dead! My God! I have brought my young kids & and family and have left them in a strange place without any protection financially or otherwise! Visibility was not clear. Everything was misty. But it was as though I could see without vision, hear without sound.

I was in another Dimension of Existence. I could hear the laments of women below & the hushed conversation. One thought became prominent in me. How absurd Life is! In the morning the body would be cremated. Is this all to life. What a meaningless end to a chain of boundless wonders & potential opportunities. It is like bubble floating on a sea.

Then what is death? An entrance to another dimension? I was calmly & objectively thinking while my brain & body were lying below! & as though I was not the person affected by death. Evolution endows matter with higher & higher levels of consciousness & death seems to snatch it.
While brooding I became aware of a presence. In a speechless communication IT informed me that I could re-enter the body if I so desired. But no time should be lost. However at that critical moment I pleaded for an answer to the riddle of Life as that thought had fully engrossed me! There was a beautiful vision of stars roaring past me. At the centre of all that tumult was a glowing light. Each star appeared to be a minute centre of consciousness. It was merging into & emerging from the central consciousness as desired by that cosmic WILL which shone like a very huge sun!

The vision vanished & I noticed that the doctor was looking down at me with amazement. I smiled feebly and told him I was O.K.
In that out- of -body state I could fulfill all my desires as if I were Omnipotent, Omniscient! I thought of my mother & I could see her running hectically on a platform at a Railway station hundreds of mile away! When I entered the body, the virulent infection had vanished & I could recoup in a couple of days.

My mother later confirmed that indeed she was frantically running around Vijayavada railway station enquiring about a train to Eluru after receiving the telegram about my critical condition. NDE is cannot be explained in normal objective terms. I underwent a positive personality change. All my arrogance vanished.
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 Jerome's NDE............
 



NDERF

EXPERIENCE DESCRIPTION:

Shortly after my first few sips of my morning coffee on the day in question, I felt an odd discomfort in my upper chest, rather like one feels when one swallows something that doesn't quite "go down." I drank some water, but the sensation did not lessen. To the contrary, over the next hour or so it increased and I felt quite tired andphysically ill-at-ease.

However, I had a very important project to complete at work that morning -- one which one of my co-workers needed done as soon as possible for a critical case on which we were both working. So, despite feeling progressively more unwell, I decided to go to work, get the project done and then, likely, return home.
It was quite difficult getting to work.

My usual ten-minute walk to the subway took nearly twice as long, and for once I actually rode the escalators rather than walking down or up them. When I reached my office I was feeling very weak, but tried to set about completing the project. Shortly thereafter, I simply became too weak to continue, and the pain in my upper chest had both worsened and spread to my right arm and my neck.

I spoke with one of the attorneys I work with and he was immediately concerned by both my appearance and symptoms and said I should go to the hospital at once. One of my co-workers took me by cab to the hospital (I had refused to allow them to call 911).

During the trip, I was extremely concerned that the project I had come in to complete remained unfinished and that I had left my co-worker in the lurch. (This is important to my particular case later on.)
After getting into a wheelchair brought one of the hospital personnel, I passed out in the emergency room and awoke briefly, lying on my back with numerous people bending over me removing my clothing and pasting various little white tabs to my chest.

I had been in moderate, but not agonizing, pain for approximately two and a half hours and was rather weary of the entire sequence of events. I remember saying to myself "This is becoming *very* boring."
Suddenly I distinctly heard a very odd sound -- between a "pop" and a "snap" -- which seemed to originate *within* the upper rear area of the right side of my head, approximately one and one-half inches above and slightly behind the top of my ear.

My consciousness, I discovered, was now outside my body. I initially wondered whether I was dreaming, since the experience was somewhat similar to lucid dreaming which I had practiced with some success for the past several years. However, I told myself that I could not be dreaming since I was not and had not been asleep.

I simultaneously realized that the annoying pain was completely gone and, most surprisingly, that I could see my "surroundings" very clearly. I was amazed by this in that, without my glasses, I do not see too clearly at all. I also felt wonderfully alert and full of energy -- the more noticeable after the progressive lethargy I had been feeling for the past couple of hours.

I saw a number of people working on something to my left; I "knew" that I was the object of their concern and efforts. It appeared that they were wearing a dark but somewhat luminous red-coloured clothing; I thought this odd in that the hospital personnel had been wearing a greenish-coloured uniform.

I could not hear their words, but sensed a low "hum" of what I assumed to be conversation and I was aware that they were very diligently engaged in some endeavor in which I was expected to be of some assistance.

I was very strongly moved by a feeling of failure to meet my responsibilities by "copping out" and "running off." The sense also came to me that I was having a near death experience ("Aha! So that's what it is!" I remember saying to myself) and also that "it isn't supposed to be like this" (the gnawing sense of having abandoned my responsibilities coupled with the lack of "tunnels" or "bright lights" or other paraphernalia from the NDE literature).

I considered this for a few moments and decided that it might be wise to return to my body, lest the sense of failure increase. By this act of will (or so it seemed) I instantly returned to my body and the annoying pain. The "guilt" was gone, however -- as was the clearness of vision and alertness of mind.

Back in my body, I thought for a moment and wondered if I could get out again; I was very uncomfortable at that point. Instantly, I was back out, only now the working figures were to the front of me instead of to my side. There was no noticeable sound accompanying this exit. Again, I could see very clearly and the pain was completely gone. However, the sense of failure in doing my duty was back again.

This time I gave serious consideration to the value of staying where I was and dealing with the sense of failure, or of returning to my body. After some very serious consideration, I decided that it was extremely unfair of me to stay where I was when others were depending on me, and so returned. As a test, I essayed to leave the body once more. This time, my efforts were unsuccessful.

In reflection, as I was on my way to undergo an angioplasty, I realized that during the entire episode, even the earliest moments, I had had no fear of dying nor did I consider any need or even desire to "make it right" with the Christian (or any other) god. Indeed, my overall impression of the entire experience and its related phenomena were extremely interesting, though physically unpleasant.

My primary mental focus during the entire series of events had been on my regret for failing to accomplish the work project which I had been assigned and my desire not to put my co-workers out any more than I already had.

Any associated medications or substances with the potential to affect the experience: No

Was the experience difficult to express in words? No
At the time of the experience, was there an associated life threatening event? Yes

Describe: I had had a heart attack. The attending physicians stated that my heart had stopped beating and that it took "the maximum number of electroshocks to restart it" (they did not say what that number was, nor did I have the presence of mind to ask).
What was your level of consciousness and alertness during the experience?

I believe the above gives a fair idea. However, during the events leading up to the heart attack itself, I had felt progressively weaker and less clear-headed. An important concern had been on not getting nauseous in the cab (the poor cab driver was horrified that I might throw up in his taxi, a contingency which I tried to assure him was quite unlikely), and I was concentrating very hard on not deceiving the fellow in that regard.

During the NDE itself, I felt myself to be very clear-headed and alert. There was also a dispassionateness that was quite clear and real, though the sense of failure to meet my responsibility was over-riding. But there was no sense at all of "compulsion" or that I "had" to do something. Only a realization that I would be responsible for the results of my decision, for good or ill. This, however, was not a cause for fear or other strong emotional reaction; rather it was a simple realization of fact.

Was the experience dream like i
n any way? As I mentioned, it had many of the aspects of a lucid dream but I realized that it was not a dream as it had commenced while I was fully awake and in physical distress.

I am not totally unfamiliar with the dream-state and the various mental constructs which can be created or experienced in that realm of perception. The experience had similarities to the state of lucid dreaming but was not -- to my understanding or belief -- a dream state.

Did you experience a separation of consciousness from your body? Yes
Describe your appearance or form apart from your body: I did not see myself. However, I had a total sense of continuity of self-identity. Or, to phrase it differently, whatever was outside my body was me, though I did not have the opportunity (or inclination) to examine what I looked like in that state. In fact, I had no concern whatsoever as to what my appearance might be.

What emotions did you feel during the experience? I believe these are covered above. But, I can add that there was a sense of freedom, but one greatly influenced by my state of mind at the time.

I sensed that my "guilt" for not completing my project could tie me down in some unpleasant way or be a hindrance of some sort in my out-of-body state. I weighed the possibilities that the sense might increase or eventually be conquered. I did not come to any definite conclusion, but decided that it *might* increase, which I felt would be undesirable.

I would add that I did not feel either fear or exaltation. It was merely a continuation (or culmination) of the preceding events and seemed entirely natural and reasonable. I was rather surprised that I was not afraid.

Did you hear any unusual sounds or noises? Please see number 4 above.

Did you pass into or through a tunnel or enclosure? No

Did you see a light? No

Describe: To clarify: Not in the sense of the "bright light" so often described in NDE literature. However, as already mentioned, the hospital workers appeared to glow slightly in a dark or dull reddish hue. My visual sense was one of clarity, but there was no "bright light." I am curious whether the reddish hue might be described in some more or less reliable book regarding the human aura (if such exists), and perhaps represents a state of excitement or anxiety or some similar emotion?

Did you meet or see any other beings? Yes

Describe: I believe that the individuals I perceived on the two occasions and from two different angles were the hospital attendants who were trying to revive me, though for a moment that also subsumed and represented to me my co-workers as well.

I did not see or in any way sense other "beings" and certainly no "supernatural" ones. To the contrary, I had a feeling of personal solitude (which is one that I prefer when I am engaged in serious matters) and a sense that I was in a position to make my own decisions and judgments as to how the matter would proceed. I did not particularly want to meet anyone as I was quite absorbed in my own thoughts at the moment and would not have welcomed such an interruption.

Did you experience a review of past events in your life? No

Describe: Please see below.

Did you observe or hear anything regarding people or events during your experience that could be verified later? Uncertain

Describe: The attending physician said that they "had brought me back to life." Thus, I assume, that I had been clinically dead, albeit rather briefly. I understand from my co-worker that the attendants were extremely excited and told her "we brought him back."
I did not witness particulars of what was being done.

The "sense impressions" of the moment seemed to be in the nature of intent on the part of the individuals I observed rather than on physical actions. My understanding was that I was watching "interior actions" on their part, rather than external ones.

Did you see or visit any beautiful or otherwise distinctive locations, levels or dimensions? No

Describe: Unless you would call a realization of continuity of self-identity outside the body to be a "beautiful dimension." For me, it was and remains so, albeit a very personal dimension. I believe, however, that I could have created such a dimension in my own perception had I decided to do so.

(This may sound very odd unless one is familiar with practices in lucid dreaming wherein one regularly modifies the dream construct in which one finds oneself to suit one's fancy.)

Did you have any sense of altered space or time? Yes

Describe: I did not really have any sense of time at all, but space seemed quite different. There was me, a space (which did not seem to have limits) and the group of people working on my body. Or, perhaps from a different perspective, that I was on the edge of two entirely different "spatial constructs" -- one "behind" me and one which I could see ahead of me or to my sides.

In considering the matter, I might say that my sense of time and space became for the duration of my NDE more internal rather than external.

Did you have a sense of knowing special knowledge, universal order and/or purpose? Yes

Describe: I felt a confirmation of my own personal ideas of the after-death state to be present, at least in part considering the limitations of the experience. I also felt that my questions as to likelihood of continuity of self-identity to be at least somewhat answered (though whether I would have "continued" forever or for a greater or lesser period of "time" I do not know).

To me, a confirmation of such, even to a limited degree, is definitely a form of "special knowledge" which not too many people have the opportunity to experience personally. For me, "faith" is no longer necessary and is not even desirable; indeed, faith strikes me as a sort of child's toy.

I do not say this to be arrogant; merely that to me, faith is no longer of great personal interest or relevance.

Did you reach a boundary or limiting physical structure? No

Describe: Apart from the two different positions in which I found myself after exiting my body, I did not find any need to move "physically." I was busy thinking and considering my condition and my need to make a decision. I did have the sense, however, that if I decided not to return to my body in a somewhat expeditious manner, then I would not be able to do so.

Thus, I think one might say that I had a sense of a "boundary" and what would happen if I "crossed" it. However, such would be a self-imposed boundary of decision and not an external crossing from one place to another. But there was a sort of a sense of being on a threshold, though again this was one which was more internal than external.

Did you become aware of future events? No

Describe: To the contrary, I had a profound sense of "now-ness" where there really was no time to be divided into past, present or future. What would (or might) happen was so closely linked to the "now" of what was happening that it seemed to be an integral part of it, rather than as a time divided from it.

Were you involved in or aware of a decision to return to the body? Yes

Describe: I believe this is described in far too much detail above.

Did you have any psychic, paranormal or other special gifts following the experience you did not have prior to the experience? Yes

Describe: Over the past two years, I find that I very often have dreams about my co-workers that have some relevance to what is going on in their lives at the moment, sometimes down to very unusual minor details.

I first started mentioning this to them jokingly. But I have found that very often they are astounded by the dreams. I also find lucid dreaming to be much easier and more fulfilling.

Most peculiar is a constant sense of being here (in this time and space) but also not being here. It is not an unpleasant feeling nor a "schizophrenic" sense of being split in two. Actually, it feels somehow more "complete" than my previous sense of the division between what we call "life" and "death" or "this world" and "the next."

I rather feel a comfortable sensation of having one foot in each "world" and a concomitant sense of equilibrium.

However, I find the peace of mind that has remained with me from the experience and my desire to ensure an equanimity of mind (e.g., an avoidance of excessive feeling of responsibility) has been the most important "special gift."

I believe that as some Buddhist philosophies teach, the final thoughts and "passions" of the mind at the time of death are the most critical. Therefore, I try to avoid "hindering emotions" which might result in feelings equivalent to the "responsibility guilt" which I felt during my NDEs.

Did you have any changes of attitudes or beliefs following the experience? Yes

Describe: I firmly believe that the jewish-christian-islamic belief in one life/one death followed by an avenging/rewarding judgment is totally irrelevant to my particular existence.

I feel as though I, personally, had been liberated from subjection to a subtly alien and (to me) vaguely repugnant belief system which I never really cared for but which I feared wielded some power over me.
Conversely, I find a deeper respect and desire to learn more about certain Eastern belief systems, such as Buddhism and others which present existence in a context wherein the individual is the source of any "judgment" in the after-death state.

This latter context seems more resonant with my own experience. All in all, I am much more confident in my own intuitions on such matters *as they pertain to me.* What may be the case for others, I do not know. And I do not believe it is of any great importance for me to know. I think the after-death experience may well be quite different for different people.

Contrary to many NDE experiences of which I have read, I feel no overwhelming urge to greater compassion or charity or other expressions of benevolence. (Nor do I feel any urge to the opposites.)

Unlike many who claim to have had such experiences, I find my own to be uniquely and intensely personal -- a need for self-knowledge and improvement which does not involve others. I think that this may arise at least in part from a realization that I cannot really help another person in what is likely to be most needful until I learn to do so for myself.

Has the experience affected your relationships? Daily life? Religious practices etc.? Career choices? I find that I take life far less seriously than before, but ironically, I take the *value* of being alive far more seriously.

That is, I do not see that my daily life with its joys, sorrows, and boring in-betweens, is all that important in any grand scheme; what happens is simply to be taken as it comes and dealt with expeditiously. But it is important to "take" what comes in a spirit of equanimity and dispassion and use it to learn and grow. This is an area where I find my thoughts (or mental impressions) very difficult to describe.

I guess what I would like to say is that I now see "life" (this life) as a schoolroom filled with exercises to prepare me for a more valid expression of my own personal existence as an independent entity. The exercises are not, in themselves, important. But they must be used for what is to come and for the experiential value which they seek to imbue.

I must do my homework not primarily for the sake of the homework itself, but for the sake of what it will teach me beyond its immediate "grading." I must learn more about who the "I" is that popped out of my body and how that "I" can express its will and mental constructs in a way that will be positive. And I must discover what "positive' really is.

Have you shared this experience with others? Yes

Describe: I select my "others" with some care, since I don't think most people would even be interested, let alone believe me. The reactions have, by and large, been positive.

However, I have a feeling that what I experienced may be of greatest importance to me as a learning experience rather than to others. I think that until other people experience the same, or a similar, event they can only react academically or emotionally, and not certainly experientially.

And it is the experience, not the hearing of the experience, that I think is important. Those, for example, who are only titillated by hearing of such experiences probably garner more harm than benefit from the hearing.

What emotions did you experience following your experience? Great joy. And inner calm. And a sort of controlled excitement. All rolled into one. It was a very good experience, a supreme "learning experience." I am still amazed by it, and I consider it and the implications I perceive in it every day.

I sometimes think of it as the spiritual equivalent of puberty. A whole new way of living.

What was the best and worst part of your experience? The confirmation of personal continuity of identity was, by far, the most spectacular part of the experience.

The realization that my thoughts of the moment had such an impact on my mental state outside the body was the "worst" -- but perhaps also very good in that I learned (I believe) what I must work on to ensure a fully positive experience when I depart from my body finally without any option to return.

All in all, the realization of continuity was frosting, I think. The cake was learning that my thoughts need working on. So, I suppose, there were only "best" parts to the experience.
Is there anything else you would like to add concerning the experience? I

have no sense that what I experienced must be universal. To the contrary, I tend to believe that what individuals will experience will be very much "self-generated" based on their beliefs, mindset, etc. There may be a "god" or "gods" who take some "souls" to their bosom; there may be "bardo" experiences similar to those described in the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

I don't know, and I don't think it is important that I do know. I have the feeling that the moment of entering into the after-death state may be the most uniquely personal of all human experiences and that it is a realm where we voluntarily or involuntarily will create that which we find.

Has your life changed specifically as a result of your experience? Yes

Describe: As alluded to above, I now concentrate much more on what I like to refer to as "maturing my thoughts." I also try to practice lucid dreaming much more seriously in that I believe that as I gain more control over my "living" dream-state, I will be able to "take charge" more effectively in the after-death state which in certain schools of Tibetan Buddhism is linked very closely to the former.

I also try to work diligently at distinguishing between the "me" of the NDE and the "me" that is the product of my own bio-chemical processes, my environment and my upbringing. The latter, I believe, is merely a temporary persona that the real "me" is currently using but which will pass away (rather like the "me" that was once a two-year old child whom I no longer consciously remember).

I must work to learn the "real me" who is using this persona to learn and grow, but who is not identical with that persona. In a Buddhist context, I am trying to distinguish the genuine "me" from the aggregates (perception, thought, etc.) which *appear* to be "me" in this body and which I am somehow using to express my "me-ness" in this life.

Following the experience, have you had any other events in your life, medications or substances which reproduced any part of the experience? No

Describe: I have, FYI, always avoided drugs because I do not like having my mind broken into and burglarized by foreign intruders. If I were told that I could repeat my NDEs by using this or that particular substance, I would avoid doing so. I am convinced, in my own case, that what I accomplish regarding NDEs or similar experiences must arise solely from myself or not at all.

Did the questions asked and information you provided accurately and comprehensively describe your experience? Yes

Explain: I think so.

Please offer any suggestions you have to improve the www.nderf.org questionnaire? I think the questionnaire was very complete and I regret that I haven't the skill or wit to respond to it as it merits. Thank you for the opportunity to explain my experiences, however poorly. I appreciate the chance to do so and hope it may be of some use to you.
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The Experiment

This thread is an experiment testing a somewhat "paranormal" effect observed by Art Bell. When a large number of people simultaneously concentrate on a single event happening (such as the weather changing, etc.), it has been known to mysteriously come true, as though the collective concentration of a large enough number of minds can actually manipulate time/space at will.

As far-fetched as this concept may seem, this experiment intends to simply try this alleged effect out through the participation of LOADED PARANORMAL's large and helpful network and community. If you would like to participate, all you need to do is concentrate on the specified event (which will be posted below), at the appropriate time.

Personally, I'm optimistic. If early experiments are successful, we will be able to attempt more and more ambitious experiments, as more and more people will most likely participate. If unsuccessful, then no harm is done and only a few minutes time is wasted on your part.

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The Time

The scheduled time for "the experiment" is currently Saturday, April 5th, 2008, at 12:00 AM (EST). For a time-zone independent countdown, scroll to the bottom of page.

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Experiment Countdown

At the exact time, everyone who wants to participate is suggested to concentrate on the chosen event (below) happening. Don't worry about how long it has to be - just think about it for as long as you want and you're done.

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The Event

The Chinese goverments' complete withdrawal from any further harrassment, occupation and/or conflict with the Tibetan Monks which has resulted in violence and bloodshed there.
The reason this EVENT has been selected as opposed to a SIGNAL from any existing ALIEN LIFE is because I subscribe to the theory that drastic changes are needed on earth for the benfit of all humanity. In short if we are unable to to use our latent mental energies to help our own kind, then what use are we to those not of our kind ?

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Realtime Results Display

You can view this interactive experiment while concentrating on the EVENT in realtime by going to the Princeton Global Consciousness Project. The purpose of this project is to examine subtle correlations that reflect the presence and activity of consciousness in the world. They have learned that when millions of us share intentions and emotions the GCP/EGG network shows correlations. This can be interpreted as evidence for participation in a growing global consciousness. It also suggests we have the capability and responsibility for conscious evolution.
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To interactively view the results in realtime simply click the link above. Once you've reached the home page, scroll down to the grey AESTHETIC VIEW column (the right side column).

Next, find the link that say's "THE REALTIME DISPLAY".
A new page should open, and shortly thereafter a java applet will load. You should begin to hear a human heartbeat and see 3 rows of numbered columns. These columns represent random numbers generated by computers globally connected to the network which monitors subtle and major changes.

You should see blocks turning red and growing larger as random numbers seem to become less random due to collective thought. You will hear bells, when they peak and gongs when it is very significant.
In short the more bells and gongs the better. It indicates that the experiment is working.

Its important to note that this project spiked massively shortly before 9/11, as if anticipating a major event.

Future Experiments

If you have any suggestions for future MASS CONSCIOUSNESS EXPERIMENTS by LOADED PARANORMAL then feel free to come on by the site and register as a member with us. Simply click the hyperlink and submit any suggested future experiment event ideas you may have.

Contact Us

To contact us with any questions regarding this or future event experiments feel free to e-mail me here at: XHIBIT_A_@Hotmail.com

http://www.x-tvmovies.com
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